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  1. The only great thing about Master locks is that they are great for beginner pickers. You learn the very basics with them and then move up to real locks.

  2. Do I blame the glass company who made my car window if it gets broke in to by someone smashing the window. They could of just a easy and not as loud broke in using a antenna between the outer door and the window, they could of stuck a antenna in and unlocked it from the inside, the could of picked the lock, the could of drilled the lock but not matter what it is not the company who made the glass, not the one that made the car, but it is the thief i am mad at, if it wasnt the the thief it would be myself for not securing it better, for not having my security cam rolling

  3. this is like complaining because you cheaped out on insurance and then totaled your car. I don't know about you but when I lock up something that costs $1000+, I'm going to spend $80-$100 or more on the lock. buying an overpriced piece of shit to protect something that costs thousands of dollars is just careless.

  4. Personally I thank people like Bill for showing me click click click over and over again how easily any of the Master locks can be picked. This type of exposure/education can assist otherwise clueless consumers on how to make more savvy decisions about securing various valuables. Remember: Lock picking how-to did not make anybody steal anything. That's a matter of morals and integrity.

                        Thanks for sharing Bill   Ken   :-)

  5. I would not know how crap Master locks are if it were not for educational videos from the likes of Bill here. All the DIY shops (B&Q, Homebase and Wickes) in England sell nothing but Master lock padlocks in their security section. You have to look to find a decent lock.

  6. Maybe he can sue Youtube for allowing people to post videos on how to pick locks? Maybe he can sue the people posting the videos? Stop blaming Master Lock. Maybe the guy who picked your lock learned how to do it from watching Bosnian Bills videos?

  7. Maybe he can sue Youtube for allowing people to post videos on how to pick locks? Maybe he can sue the people posting the videos? Stop blaming Master Lock. Maybe the guy who picked your lock learned how to do it from watching Bosnian Bills videos?

  8. There ought to be a independent company that test and certify locks to garantee a certain level of security. Kind of like UL or CE. Wouldnt want it to be mandatory but it would be telling if a company refused to send in their locks for testing to be certified.

  9. If your not happy and believe they did wrong go on all the websites and tell the people about it !!! Go on facebook.com and twitter and any other you may find maybe than they will respond to your complaint or take them to court for civil liabilities .

  10. Kriptonite has some very nice lock which come with their own insurance. If they get stolen kryptoneite will cover your losses to a limit. Not sure which countries is it valid in though.

  11. at the end of the day perhaps the thief learnt how to remove the lock courtesy of youtube lock pickers giving him / her tutorials, no good placing the blame whole heatedly at master lock's door step…

  12. Alex I would tend to agree with you.

    Go into a motorcycle store and there will be a range of locks and padlocks being sold with the claim that they will secure their goods. I know if I bought a motorcycle I would not leave the store without buying a lock (and chain)

    Should consumers be expected to hang around lockpicking sites to get the right one, personally I don't think so.

    I also doubt he paid £5 pounds for lock (many master locks are £30 plus in the UK) and all claim high security

  13. The question is how much did he spend, as Masterlock sell locks which cost considerably more than 10 of your American Dollars.

    Personally I believe that they should be held liable for their claims of high security.

  14. There ARE European lock standards published by the Euro equivalent of the ISO. They are very clear about lock quality standards. As it turns out, only one class of lock qualifies for reimbursement from the lock company (yes, they DO have liability in Europe for their security statements), and that is the Abus "Insurance" lock. We know it as the "Granit" and its a disc lock.

  15. All good points. I appreciate your well thought out and logical argument. But what if I promised to do something for you, in writing, and failed to do it. Not only did I fail to do it, but my failure led to further damage to you?

  16. I would have to say that Master Lock should not be held responsible. Just cause someone say something does not make it true. Research should always be done especially if you're trying to protect your stuff. This is actually why i got into lockpicking. My car got broken into and i couldn't figure out how they did it without smashing the windows out. Had a security system which turned out to be false security. I did not hold Dodge responsible. I learned and became wiser and now pass my knowledge

  17. Way to spark an interesting debate Bill!

    You can't expect the commoner to know what lock is good and what isn't. They have to rely on the packaging. Most manufacturers, good or bad, will put what they want on it to sell a lock. Just like any other product. You don't expect them to put "adequate" or "kinda pickable".

    I can't speak for the UK (or for Germany either), but if you were in the US, living in a midsize town, where would you go to buy a "good" lock? A locksmith?

  18. It is a funny scenario there Bill regarding his problem and what Master lock it was. Many lock companies will state, high security etc.. for customers to purchase, but when they state "high" it will just be them that test behind closed doors. I did a video security warning of an 80mm baron carbide lock. Also companies state anti pick, bump etc, but we still pick them. CLC have done the right thing by sending samples to locksporters. Master should do also for feedback.

  19. Well the problem is money. The customer nowadays wants to have it cheap so he gets it cheap. The customer does not want to spend money on things. And I am now not only talking about security. Then the customer wonders why his economy is shredding to pieces because every company moves their production to China. But then again he complains but also does not want to spend hard cash on good products. That is the problem of a generation not just of security.

  20. I've watched all your videos, my friend. However, the majority of British consumers probably haven't. How can we help get the message out… for example, using existing civil and criminal laws? Or involving the news media?
    And, to be honest, I shouldn't have to spend hundreds of dollars to get a decent lock. Most of us could re-pin one of the bigger Master padlocks to make it sufficiently-secure for most purposes. The manufacturers need to take responsibility for their claims & product quality.

  21. No, but, hypothetically, if it said "theft-proof" the label, but could easily be bypassed or broken off, you probably have a case, at least in principle. To use your analogy, if McDonald's advertizes the Big Mac Extra Value Meal as a "diet meal", the kid should have a case (at least for false advertizing). Blaming McDonald's for making him fat… that's another matter entirely.

  22. There is another more general question raised by this discourse: How much money should you spend to secure an item of value X? We wouldn't suggest buying a $300 lock to secure a $100 lawnmower… But I'm not sure I'd suggest the $300 lock to secure a $1000 bike, either…. that seems like overkill.

    Are there security or insurance industry standards for this sort of calculation? I know that, in some countries, safes have insurance ratings — how much the contents may be insured for.

  23. That's a fair guarantee. I suppose if your bike is worth $20k, then you could get two different manufacturers' locks :). Conversely, if the company is *not* willing to make a guarantee about their locks, then this might dissuade you from doing business with them.

  24. A fair question is: What type of lock does the insurance company require, if any, and did this Master Lock meet those requirements. If the answer is yes, then he probably made a good choice (because, presumably, the insurance company has done the cost-benefit analysis more effectively than we can).

    I think the central complaint here is that the lock was purportedly non-destructively bypassed, by assumption, with relative ease. That's what I find objectionable.

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